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iam(still)kevin. » Blog Archive » more on lyrics.

more on lyrics.

I decided to just make another post since i was writing a lot in the comments.
This is in response to mike’s comment - he doesn’t listen much to lyrics, doesn’t care much if they’re bad, and what are examples of good lyrics?

The thing that bothers me about System of a Down isn’t that they have bad lyrics. It’s that they believe that their lyrics are profound and important, when really, they might be enough to place a non-rockstar in an insane asylum.

Ronnie James Dio in his various bands uses retarded lyrics that are contradictory and nonsensical, but he isn’t trying to make a statement.
check this beauty out:

Holy diver, you’ve been down too long in the midnight sea, oh what’s becoming of me
Ride the tiger, you can see his stripes but you know he’s clean, oh don’t you see what I mean

No, sorry Dio, I don’t see what you mean. As far as i can tell, that just means crazy, but so what? He’s not trying to sing about the downfall of society.

I think I can forgive some cockiness or ego-inflation about lyrics or other shortcomings as long as they can back it up with talent in other areas. Take Steve Vai. He doesn’t really write good lyrics, but you know what, there are very few people alive who can play guitar better than him so I’ll let it slide if a guy who’s been playing amazing guitar for 25 years wants to write lyrics and sing, even if he’s not the best at it. And he’s not that bad… usually.

As for good lyrics, Coldplay probably does have good songs lyrically, though I don’t really know them. My beef with Coldplay isn’t their lyrics, it’s that they only have one mood in their music; they should ligten up a little.
DMB has good lyrics, G ‘n’ R had good lyrics, and folk singers are all about good lyrics.

But the thing about lyrics is that good and bad mean different things to different people. In my opinion, good doesn’t have to mean deep or important.
I mean, take the Spin Doctors’ “Two Princes”. I think the lyrics are pretty good. They tell a story about one guy competing with another for the heart of a girl. The antagonist of the song is rich, spoiled, comes from an important family, and probably doesn’t love the girl. The protagonist doesn’t have much money, didn’t go to an ivy league school, but he loves her and will be a better guy all around. Simple lyrics, but they get the job done; you know what the song is about, maybe you can even relate. (Plus the music is better than System of a Down, but then again I don’t really like a lot of newer music where half the singing is just screaming hoarsely and the guitar just thrashes indistinct chords that you can’t make out.)

And now to fulfill Mike’s request for Kelly Clarkson lyrics. I doubt she writes her own songs, and i wouldn’t really call them good, but you can at least understand tham. Since U Been Gone (awesome, it has the word “U” in it!) is about a girl falling for a guy and realizing later that he doesn’t care about her and then dumping him. Pretty simple stuff really.
I am not looking up any more Kelly Clarkson songs.

it’s just a rainbow in the dark

8 Responses to “more on lyrics.”

  1. Mike Says:

    Damn you, now I’ve had “Two Princes” stuck in my head since yesterday.

    Speaking of awesome lyrics… what about the Baja Men?

    WHO LET THE DOGS OUT?

    That’s so deep, man. I’ll just stop here so I can let you ponder that question for a while.

  2. kevin. Says:

    what’s wrong with Two Princes? it’s a great song.

    Mike, you really have some terrible taste in music. First Kelly Clarkson, now Baja Men. what’s next, Ace of Base?

  3. Mike Says:

    There’s nothing wrong with “Two Princes”. It is a good song. I just don’t like having the same song stuck in my head for two days.

    And you’re just bitter because you haven’t seen the sign. Just wait for it, it’ll open up your mind.

  4. kevin. Says:

    You’ve had “I Saw the Sign” stuck in your head since 1995 and you don’t seem to be complaining, i don’t know what the problem is with 2 days of “two princes”

  5. Mercy Says:

    This is fun pointing out your faults trying to make ppl feel better with your lies…hmm so lets see you went from these both about SOAD:”their lyrics are really bad” “but they still have pretty awful lyrics.” To this:”The thing that bothers me about System of a Down isn’t that they have bad lyrics”
    You must not have very many friends I don’t see any agreeing with you….

  6. kevin. Says:

    “my lies?” how is my opinion a lie?

    yes, I think they have bad lyrics, but bad lyrics alone aren’t really a problem. it’s that they have bad lyrics and think they are amazingly meaningful.

    oh what do you know, I said that. just because you can take a sentence out of context doesn’t mean that I didn’t say the other things.

    but there’s hope for you yet. you’ve got a promising career being the guy that strips away all the meaning from music, movie, and book reviews to put make it sound like the critics say good things.

    “This movie is a reeking piece of shit, but it’s a thrill ride until the end”

    “…a thrill ride until the end!!!”

  7. Mercy Says:

    If you were to pay attention you’d understand that theres an underlying meaning! You see it as not making sense but in actuality it does!

    ex:”always want to go but you never want to stay”

    dude.. it means they always want to go to the place.. but when they get there.. they never want to stay there.
    -courtesy of fellow SOAD fan

  8. kevin. Says:

    whoa, is this the same mercy who called me and ass and threatened to kick my ass in the last post?

    Anyway, there’s not really any context around the quote in Aerials.
    No mention of a place, except possibly wanting to go play.
    Even that I dispute because he says “we are the ones that want to play”
    and then “Always want to go, but you never want to stay”
    doesn’t seem like he’s talking about the same people.

    If you look up the song’s meaning on the internets, the majority of people are split between having seen or read interivews in which SOAD says that it’s about a kid in a wheel chair or interviews where saying that it’s about nothing. One even said they were thinking about paraplegic boy while writing the song, but that it really means nothing.

    There are too many oxymorons for me to take the song seriously, but that’s just my opinion, you do what you want with the song.

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